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I CAN'T NOT MAKE GAMES.
I have enough lockerspace to hold an episode of Friends.
"We'll make a toast to absent friends and better days,
To remembering and being remembered as brave
And not as a bunch of whining jerks!
Don't lose your nerve.
Do not go straight
You must testify
(or I'm going to come to your house and punch you in the mouth)
cause CLOWNS MUST STAND."
- TW/IFS, "All The World Is A Stage Dive"
I have enough lockerspace to hold an episode of Friends.
"We'll make a toast to absent friends and better days,
To remembering and being remembered as brave
And not as a bunch of whining jerks!
Don't lose your nerve.
Do not go straight
You must testify
(or I'm going to come to your house and punch you in the mouth)
cause CLOWNS MUST STAND."
- TW/IFS, "All The World Is A Stage Dive"
Iron Gaia
As the only human awake on board a space station controlled by an insane AI with delusions of deification, you must unravel the mystery of your own identity and discover: "What is the Iron Gaia?"
As the only human awake on board a space station controlled by an insane AI with delusions of deification, you must unravel the mystery of your own identity and discover: "What is the Iron Gaia?"
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Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
author=Yellow Magic
EDIT: Yeah, sorry, I made a joke at the expense of white people. But you guys don't mind, right? I mean, you're literally the scum of the earth after all.
First off, if this was indeed somehow meant as a joke, it's a fucking terrible, shitty joke. You have critically failed your 'make a joke on the internet' check. Secondly and obviously relatedly, I want you to know that upon reading this, my immediate reaction was to feel deeply hurt and upset.
author=Yellow Magicauthor=mawk
~LEARNING CORNER~
it is, in fact, impossible to be 'racist against white people'.
This is one of the most insanely stupid statements I have ever fucking seen. I would simply call it 'ignorant' but that lets it off the hook too much. This isn't a statement that results from a lack of education. It's a statement that results from a toxic education, i.e. cultural marxist indoctrination. It is willfully and maliciously stupid.
This is a link to the definition of racism.
author=This Is The Definition Of Racism
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm
nounthe belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
Exactly what part of this definition excludes racism against whites from being a real thing, you preposterously infuriating SJW troll?
author=Yellow Magic
Here's something to think about regarding the joke I made, by the way.Yeah, sorry, I made a joke at the expense of white people. But you guys don't mind, right? I mean, you're literally the scum of the earth after all.
How would you react if I replaced the word "white" with "black"? Not trying to point fingers - just legit curious.
Exactly the same. What does that say about me?
author=harmonic
It's a witch hunt. It's revenge for an imaginary infraction. It's censoring and discriminatory.
Harmonic, I seriously want you to explain to me how these "infractions" (and Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., a Marine vet who was called a nigger by White Plains PD before they broke down his door and murdered him) were "imaginary".
If this is not what you were referring to, then can you be more clear?
author=PentagonBuddy
The answer to that can be pretty complex. (link)
The person who wrote this is a despicable racist. There is literally no meaningful difference between writing an article comprised of bullshit apologetics to justify frequently saying "I hate White people" and an article comprised entirely of bullshit apologetics to justify frequently saying "I hate black people".
author=PentagonBuddy
I did get it was a joke, but honestly I think it's worth examining as a serious statement too. A lotta people believe that saying anything like "I hate white people" holds the exact same meaning and implications of something like "I hate black people". I don't, so i figured I'd take a moment to talk about that.
This. Is. RACIST. Seriously. If you think it is more okay to hate white people than to hate black people, that is fucking racist.
If I "figured I'd take a moment to talk about" how I thought it was okay to hate black people but not white people, that would be fucking racist too.
author=Kentona
Harmonic, you are supposed to acknowledge the privilege, and do you best to effect change, and not resent having it pointed out to you.
The thing about people like me, and also Harmonic, even though PLEASE UNDERSTAND AS WILL BE CLEAR TO ANYONE WHO HAS READ MY POSTS THAT I DO NOT AGREE WITH HARMONIC is that we DEEPLY resent being told what we are supposed to do in order to be politically correct. Anyone who has played my oldest games is well aware that I have a serious problem with being told what I'm supposed to do or what it is socially acceptable to do because historically speaking I have a serious problem with authority as well as with groupthink, PC, et al.
See, I DO resent the concept of privilege because it is the most fucking terrible, inflammatory, destructive, polarizing, alienating way possible of getting across an idea that literally no one should disagree with: namely, that racism exists.
author=Kentona
It's sickening. Focus on the topic or keep your mouth shut.
Just to be clear, the topic is
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
every single time every single victim white black or whatever I have the same thought
how THE FUCK were they seriously NOT CHARGED
how THE FUCK were they seriously NOT CHARGED
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
No, it wasn't suicide by cop. There's a bunch of eyewitnesses, the coroner's report (secondary since the first one did not take pictures or write much of anything at all because fuckwit racists covering for each other.) and a whole host of evidence to the contrary.
Liberty, most eyewitness evidence DOES seem to indicate that Michael Brown did reach into the cop car and start pummeling Wilson. This is far from a "suicide by cop" and I would never call it that but I would just describe it as a really fucking dumb thing to do. Especially if you're black, for obvious reasons. But I wouldn't advise, say, harmonic to punch a cop either. However you look at it, antagonizing a cop is a dumb idea. As someone with a majorly self destructive cop hate problem, I am often tempted but I never do it because you know...self preservation.
But the severity of the consequences will vary both on the basis of your race (and that's racism, folks!) and the nature of the antagonistic behavior. In this case, being a large black man in Missouri made antagonizing a police officer a fatal mistake.
This in no way clears what Wilson did.
Racism is a huge part of this but the state's monopoly on "legitimate" violence is the greater issue.
I am utterly useless and cannot figure out ignore features
I just want to say I really like the little message that pops up when you ignore someone because it tells you you did it successfully.
'You successfully ignored X'.
This literally makes using the ignore feature feel like an actual accomplishment. Which is awesome. It makes me feel like if I ignore enough people I will level up.
'You successfully ignored X'.
This literally makes using the ignore feature feel like an actual accomplishment. Which is awesome. It makes me feel like if I ignore enough people I will level up.
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
@PentagonBuddy: Here's the thing, I really DON'T disagree with you about all that much, except that having long hair makes white people lose a lot of their white protection because cops fucking hate hippies and want them to RESPECT THEIR AUTHORITAH. But I totally agree that institutionalized racism is a real thing and a bad/horrifying thing and anyone who says racism is not real anymore in America is a total piece of shit.
what the actual fuck are you on about? how can I fucking bully anyone on the internet? oh shit, I have that power...awesome. get off the internet mawk or I'll give you such a wedgie you better watch out if you keep disagreeing with me son (don't know what gender you are also don't give a fuck sorrynotsorry) i'll stuff you in a gym locker
author=mawk
'there are problems in this system that don't exclusively have to do with racism' does not give you the right to bully people into stopping talking about racism entirely.
what the actual fuck are you on about? how can I fucking bully anyone on the internet? oh shit, I have that power...awesome. get off the internet mawk or I'll give you such a wedgie you better watch out if you keep disagreeing with me son (don't know what gender you are also don't give a fuck sorrynotsorry) i'll stuff you in a gym locker
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
Max, when people regularly refuse to even acknowledge your extrajudicial murder as something that merits an investigation, let alone a trial,
It bears repeating that the officers that murdered Kelly Thomas were acquitted of all charges except one officer who was seriously not even fucking tried. I don't know how often you need pigs to kill whites and get off scott free to consider it "regular" but on the other hand I fucking guarantee you this wasn't an isolated incient.
then you can pretend your insipid 'colourblind' rhetoric has any kind of merit.
I hope you are enjoying being a fucking racist. I mean I don't know what else you want to call it when you are so offended by me literally saying that everyone's lives matter equally (except maybe cops). I mean that is literally my position is that all human lives matter. I didn't even say this DOESN'T happen disproportionately to black and brown people. I just said NOT ONLY THEM. That's all. If I did actually deny that police brutality and excessive force overwhelmingly impacts black and brown people--and I really don't think I DID--I certainly did not MEAN to.
Multiple rounds of forensic analysis concluded that there were no entry wounds in his back. The evidence corroborated Darren Wilson's story.
Most eyewitness accounts say that he was turning and falling towards the cop when he was shot repeatedly, so of course there would not be entry wounds on his back. He was falling to the ground in the direction of the officer when he was shot again and again and again.
I mean, racism aside, like...what Wilson did IS understandable but not EXCUSABLE. Most likely he saw a huge black guy running at him and fucking panicked because that is a terrifying thing to see even if what he saw wasn't really what was happening: he may have had fear goggles on, like beer goggles only awful.
Anyway, he's a piece of shit coward, still, even if he's not a straight up murderer, and emblematic of the bullshit "kill before you get hurt" that's drilled into pigs nowadays making them a bunch of murdercrazed cowards.
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
I don't think you're racist. I just think that a statement like "white people have nothing to fear from the police" or even "white people categorically have MUCH LESS to fear from the police than non-whites" is...slightly racist, and very misinformed. Police brutality effects everyone. Not equally, sure.
But it still effects everyone. I personally have been threatened with violence by pigs (I was at a college party and a university police officer literally threatened to sodomize me with his asp baton if I ran). So has my girlfriend, who is 5'3". They didn't follow through on it, which might have something to do with the fact we're white. But it's still fucked up on the whole. Oh, also, a white kid at my college was like actually trampled by police horses at an outdoor concert. He was running from the mounted cops and they literally fucking ran him down with their fucking police steeds like in a fucked up western. So there's that, that happened.
I totally respect discussion of the fact that it mostly effects black and brown lives, don't get me wrong, and all I'd ask anyone to do is acknowledge that race is not the WHOLE issue. Speaking of racism...
Only according to some eye witness reports. Reports WERE conflicted.
Ok, but listen man...this wasn't a MISTAKE. It was fucking murder. They murdered him. And the NYPD avoiding indictment isn't just dodging an "infraction". It is staggering, stupefying, unbelievable injustice of the kind I honestly kind of naively thought was decades or centuries dead in America.
Even if we accept your premise that Mike Brown "got what he deserved"--and I would not go that far, I think that what he did was really fucking dumb but I don't think he deserved to be gunned down for it--the score is NOT 1 and 1. The score is 1 and like fucking 12. Or so many I can't even count. For every one borderline Darwin Award winner like Michael Brown (assuming he really did go for a cop's gun) we've got a slew of innocent victims like Tamir Rice, Aiyana Stanley-Jones, Deandre Johnson, Deandre Joshua, Kenneth Chamberlain, Kelly Thomas, the list goes on and on and on, horrifying, unimaginably long. People who did absolutely nothing to deserve being murdered by uniformed thugs with no regulation.
Kenneth Chamberlain, a marine veteran, was LITERALLY ASLEEP when the police broke into his house and murdered him. Aiyana Stanley-Jones, a seven year old black girl was LITERALLY ASLEEP when the police murdered her. I am pretty sure that being murdered by cops counts as being in trouble with the law.
But it still effects everyone. I personally have been threatened with violence by pigs (I was at a college party and a university police officer literally threatened to sodomize me with his asp baton if I ran). So has my girlfriend, who is 5'3". They didn't follow through on it, which might have something to do with the fact we're white. But it's still fucked up on the whole. Oh, also, a white kid at my college was like actually trampled by police horses at an outdoor concert. He was running from the mounted cops and they literally fucking ran him down with their fucking police steeds like in a fucked up western. So there's that, that happened.
I totally respect discussion of the fact that it mostly effects black and brown lives, don't get me wrong, and all I'd ask anyone to do is acknowledge that race is not the WHOLE issue. Speaking of racism...
author=harmonic
Mike Brown committed suicide by cop. Darren Wilson was not indicted and he shouldn't have been. Mike Brown attacked him and tried to grab his gun.
Only according to some eye witness reports. Reports WERE conflicted.
author=harmonic
Eric Garner was killed unexpectedly because of an illegal police tactic. The NYPD avoided indictment here but this was a mistake because of a clear infraction.
Ok, but listen man...this wasn't a MISTAKE. It was fucking murder. They murdered him. And the NYPD avoiding indictment isn't just dodging an "infraction". It is staggering, stupefying, unbelievable injustice of the kind I honestly kind of naively thought was decades or centuries dead in America.
Therefore, it is a mistake to tie the two issues together, because it implies innocence or guilt for both, when the score is actually 1 and 1.
Even if we accept your premise that Mike Brown "got what he deserved"--and I would not go that far, I think that what he did was really fucking dumb but I don't think he deserved to be gunned down for it--the score is NOT 1 and 1. The score is 1 and like fucking 12. Or so many I can't even count. For every one borderline Darwin Award winner like Michael Brown (assuming he really did go for a cop's gun) we've got a slew of innocent victims like Tamir Rice, Aiyana Stanley-Jones, Deandre Johnson, Deandre Joshua, Kenneth Chamberlain, Kelly Thomas, the list goes on and on and on, horrifying, unimaginably long. People who did absolutely nothing to deserve being murdered by uniformed thugs with no regulation.
author=harmonic
Being black and doing absolutely nothing doesn't mean you'll get in trouble with the law.
Kenneth Chamberlain, a marine veteran, was LITERALLY ASLEEP when the police broke into his house and murdered him. Aiyana Stanley-Jones, a seven year old black girl was LITERALLY ASLEEP when the police murdered her. I am pretty sure that being murdered by cops counts as being in trouble with the law.
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
Amazingly, white people can have problems too. Their lives can be horrible just like anyone else's. They do not have to face systematic racism. Police brutality against black folks is one symptom of this systematic racism. The police (an institutional system) are acting in racist ways (seen in the disproportionate violence towards black people).
The problem is: cops murder human beings. Institutionalized racism is just one part of this. When you characterize the problem as being solely white cops being excessively violent towards black people it's reductionist in a way that's actually kind of racist. The broader picture is that COPS ARE KILLING PEOPLE AND NOT FACING ANY KIND OF CONSEQUENCES. Are most of those people black and brown? Sure. No one's disputing that. But not ALL of them.
I'm sure that lots of cops are really, really fucking racist. But these thugs prey upon the black and the poor and the mentally ill not just because of their hatred of those people but because SOCIETY DOES NOT VALUE THOSE PEOPLE and they know they can get away with it. The idea that SOCIETY DOES NOT VALUE BLACK PEOPLE'S LIVES is really scary it's an extremely worrisome problem just like that society does not value poor people's lives is scary and that society does not value sick people's lives is scary. But the idea that thugs in uniform are torturing and murdering anyone they think they can get away with torturing and murdering is EVEN MORE TERRIFYING.
The excessive violence is not even the most important part of the problem.
The most important part of the problem is the TOTAL LACK OF ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR THE OFFICERS INVOLVED. And what that comes down to is police solidarity: down the line, down the blue line.
You realize police are primarily white?
There are literally no white cops. Literally no police are white. Literally no police are black. Literally no police are asian.
Police are Blue like Marines are Green. There are no black cops, no brown or yellow cops. There is only Blue and non-Blue. Us and them.
Your failure to understand this actually explains a lot about your failure to understand this situation goes WAY BEYOND racism into something even MORE horrifying than racism. Government sanctioned thugs with unlimited legitimization of their violence and bullying and no fucking meaningful oversight or regulation.
Can we talk about the Mike Brown/Eric Garner/etc situation?
The police did know; Thomas was very well known to the Orange County Sheriff Dept, having dealt with them nearly 100 times over a ten year period. They were just sick of dealing with him and decided to fuck him up, because that's what these macho sadists would rather do than actually get a mentally-disabled man some help.
Anyway, c'mon, we both know a shaggy homeless white man, or a disabled or mentally ill white man, will not be afforded the same amount of privilege as an able-bodied and self-sufficient white man. There is institutionalized classism and ableism at play here, as well as racism.
Fair point about them being "sick of him"...that is awful. To clarify, I am neither able bodied nor self sufficient. I have Crohn's disease (Crohn's disease survivor for 15 years so far) and a severe untreated anxiety disorder and I have an actual personal income of substantially less than $1,000 per annum (those who've seen me post around here know that I also have, effectively, a wealthy live-in patron, which allows me to live in relative comfort albeit certainly not any kinda splendor).
My white male privilege affords me protection from a great deal of this violence, but I still don't want to live on this planet right now.
The entire concept of "privilege" is completely fucking retarded. It is not that I am saying "privilege" does not exist, it is just that that word and all of its shitty baggage is literally the worst way possible to contextualize the issues of race, class, health, and so on in this country, and it is going to automatically make a huge percentage of your audience stop listening and probably rightfully so when you use it. The vast majority of people are going to resent being told they are living their lives in "easy mode" because the truth is almost EVERYONE has major challenges they've had to overcome, and even the few people who actually HAVEN'T almost certainly are totally convinced that they did.
With that said...I totally agree with this statement. Especially the bold part. And increasingly...shit if I have an emergency I don't even want to fucking call 911 on the off chance that cops/SWAT will show up to murder me/my dog/my girlfriend.
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